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prime minister must go, in fact, he has never received the confidence of the national assembly. he has just manage the campaign, lost by his camp and received the massive popular vote of no confidence. menache always speaking, there is the leader of the main block of seats with in the winning left his coalition, which explains why he's already talking like he wants to see at has furniture loaded up in the band and his clothes passed out on the line. look, there's a lot that's up in the air right now, but one thing that the french absolutely did it cheapest that they revoked mack holes and the establishments blank check so that they can no longer just ran things through permit the french and been giving off a vive, suggesting that they're set off with the establishment. and that has now been clearly confirm, however, where you cut it. but while nat cole and a large part of the french electorate were obsessed with looking over there, right shoulder, it turns out that they were passed on the left, in this particular race, to rachel marston. okay?

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offering her take on why she believes julian, a sons was not extradited to the us. um, there's no a fremont among other topics. the grey zones i'm up from phil speaks to option next . and the latest going underground. se clips the i'm actually in redundancy and welcome back to going underground will cause to go around the world from the u. a team member of the energy alliance. opec with the boulevard and republic of venezuela, venezuela, with the greatest known oil reserves in the world. just celebrated independence day, despite being targeted by major nations with cruise,

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sanction starvation and terrorism for refusing to be a washington vessel states. nature of this month. it faces presidential elections. meanwhile, the us state department mud in supporting a proxy war through ukraine and genocide in gaza. it may be the dying days of the biden, the regime is just announced. it will participate in talks the day after tomorrow with president menorahs governments in venezuela, in the new book, corporate qu, venezuela, and the end of us and by the grace runs on your power and build drawers on our own investigations and revelations, from julia that's on his wiki leeks, and yet joins me now from northern virginia. a tiny, a thank so much for coming on going underground. finally, i'm not sure whether you'd be known before an amazing book. and before we get onto the brilliant book that everyone needs to read, even if they're not interested in venezuela, we have julian is on his brother. gabriel shipped an ongoing undergrad on south. today's episode, your book references wiki leaks. many times. epa golf is from julian. why have you told gabriel shipped in that you didn't expect julian to me,

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extradited to virginia way if you've just moved here. yes, i did actually see him about i guess almost 2 months ago when he was meeting with us officials hoping to get some sort of deal through which fortunately came, came to live, came to fruition and the last few weeks and told him that deep down in my heart, i didn't believe the us political class, the lead that has been split between wanting to drone bomb or, or carry out draw out this persecution of his arms and, and the fear that actually bringing him here would ignite even more of a pro free speech and pro assigned to movement in the united states. i know that people like yourself and high profile journalists all across the world have acted as a boys for

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a song and an advocate for him during this time. but from the perspective of the us citizen, what i witnessed over the last years as he languished and bell mars what were, was, was the emergence of the movement of just the average us people all across, mainly in new york and washington who would to make their presence known as powerful institutions such as the biding justice department or the trump justice department for that matter. camping outside of the d o. j, i think it was 2 or 3 years ago. they actually had a birthday party for julian outside and said that we're here cutting cake and his honor to tell them us justice department that we have a constitution here. we have the 1st amendment rights to free speech. and i know people also in new york who every thursday, uh, a bernadette and chuck these activists would actually go to the new york times office and pass out flyers about as on his case, put pressure on, on,

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on the journal. is that actually depend on his constitution in this right to free speech to do their own work, and to make the case that the continued persecution of his arms would be damaging to them as well. and i, i do believe that if, as long as you came here, it would not only invigorate that group which would have a presence outside of the prison in his court room and ultimately gain media attention. i do believe that if the actual step of taking him bringing him here to the united states had, had occurred, that it would force even a main stream pundits and mainstream newspapers to begin a discussion about free speech and our rights are constitutional rights in this country. but frankly, i don't think the political establishment were prepared for. they would much rather i think, prolonged his imprisonment in bel large for as, as long as they could. and, and let that be the punishment because they might have to deal with their own public. if, if that trial were to have actually gone through. yeah,

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you mentioned drone boom. of course they did get close though to killing julian as lounge the ca, the u. k. the new york times, arguably that's what niels mailed, so the un special were up to and georgia doe, the program. they were collaborated with cnn. and the guardian in this of course, the you are the greys on and the founder of the razor. max told us it's being targeted. so what does the assange case mean and the deal he made to save his life mean for you and your sources at the grace of as the precedent that is guilty, plea sets is definitely concerning for any journalist. because what, what julian did is something that old journalists do collect information from sources and ask for more. so it is not something that i expect to know to have a chilling effect in the work that we do. because if anything and julia's example has only served to make all of us stronger, he's,

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he's such an inspiration for me personally. that's why i put that f a graph in the book that quote from his. if wars can be started by live, peace can be started by truth. and i think that that is the the mentality and at that all journalists should have and that that's the symbol that he's come to represent through his persecution and that journalist like myself, max erin kit, wyatt, others at the grades zone and all throughout the united states. look to julian and look to what you weeks as an example, look to what you weeks as a source. something that i just want to emphasize is that many of the report as much of the reporting in my book, dependent on wiki weeks files. for example, b n g o unit b, the global network run by o 4 and the national endowment for democracy. these groups that kind of create

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seemingly grass roots, organizations that are actually products for the us state department and, and redeem change act as rename change outfits worldwide. we know about the inner workings of those groups because of what you weeks because of the state department cables because of the strat for leaks that describe these activists, including those and venezuela that are dealt with in my book and basically running around the world and over throwing governments that the us does it like, and those are direct quotes that we, we may have known that to be true just from a report a and, and what we suspected to be true about these groups. but we have quotes and hard evidence of so much because of what we do is provided us years ago. it's really a true and a gift that keeps on giving. we're going to do with that as it here in the book. you compare julian's assassination be attempted assassination zone. joining us as to the case of alex sub, just tell us who alex is. i understand. in the past few weeks,

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he's been appointed to mentor events, way president debit or as a investment um ministry. yes, alec stop is a venezuelan diplomat who's colombian born but early on in the treviss, the revolution while the rest of columbia is business sector was boycotting. but as we'll essentially, he saw an opportunity and became very close to the government and ultimately ended up winning major contracts to build the public housing in venezuela. and then also to provide supplies for the lat food program. this is a program that i witnessed firsthand and venezuela and it's really something that's credited with having curb to the effects of us sanctions at the height of us sanctions or the facts of the obama administration national security declaration saying that venezuela was a national security threat sorry to interrupt obama tried to stop the population of

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venezuela millions, tens of millions of people after i get killed because that that decision immediately cut the venezuelan private sector and stayed off from international credit lines and made it very difficult for international shipping companies to go to that as we left. so there were incredible shortages, people were starving at that time. and so the government actually initiated a program to deliver subsidized food and housing supplies to millions of families across the country and attacked alex of this business man with when a, with, with traveling around the world to turkey and elsewhere, to supply products for these, for these boxes i've seen, for example, turkish pasta and oil cooking oil arrive, and these boxes are the homes of venezuelans when i was staying there. and according to an opposition allied economists that i cite in the book, this program really prevented mass fannan and starvation and venezuela. it was

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interact and intervention in the economy that the material government made in order to basically mitigate the effects of thinking is in this hybrid economic war. and so the united states was not very happy with alex up in this program. they, they at elliot abrams, the trump, venezuela envoy would basically criticize it as an oil for food program or a bribery programs and get venezuelans to, to vote for them in their own government and lead abrams of war, criminal in el salvador foothill. the majority of massacre. yes indeed. who and and main character in the iran contra affair, who for some reason ended up running both venezuela and iran policy for trump. not the best candidate for that job, but i guess it also revealed the criminal nature of the us deep stayed through his through his presence and administration. but so as part of their war on the venezuelan people and effort to star them, the us government eventually cooked up

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a case, an indictment against alex sob just as they did with julia sonjee. remember, his indictment was kept secret until he was actually in custody. where he could be transferred to the united states and that's what happened with alex saw he was on a triple one day to iran and stopped to fuel his plane in k birthday on the african coast, the west african coast. and, and of all, because the us and my fun, peo, trump, secretary of state writes about this in his memoir, had gotten an idea of word that that sob was going to be landing there. they immediately pressure the government in prya in the capital a k barrett a to arrest alex saba. even though there was no indictment that he was aware of. there was not even an inter pull warrant, in fact the african,

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the echo was for the court of the region of the west after ultimately determined that the inter full red notice that was used in order to justify his arrest was actually issued after his detention. so the reason that this case compares to julian's is because not only is this an example of the united states keeping an indictment secret and then the pounds being on a subject once they saw the opportunity. but more so, more importantly, it shows that the us security stain use extras that sticks in applying to the entire planet. you know, there's actually not even in there was not an existing extradition treaty between united states and k birthday, but or through pressure including outright bribery. such is signing multi $1000000.00 investment in economic investment packages with the government and k bear and, and also investing millions of dollars and a revamp of the u. s. embassy in the capital there,

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the government ultimately agreed to extradite a sob to the united states. and he did spend a little over a year about a year and a half in miami present, sell awaiting trial. but once they got him here, most of the money laundering charges that they, that they had initially set against him were thrown out in the case ultimately fell apart and and, and sob was treated in a prisoner swap. and now he's back in venezuela and guess wasted no time getting back to work. but it was a lesson because not only should the international law in the sense that the us jurisdiction doesn't apply to keep there. they can't just go in there and arrest somebody where us authorities don't technically have has a jurisdiction. but it shows that even diplomatic immunity went out the door when it comes that when it, when it serves united states because alex thought was a diplomat. so even if he was guilty of the crimes that they alleged,

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they had no authority, no right to go after him in the way they did just as they had no right. to go after julius on your paper bill, i'll stop you there will from the grades on journalist and or through the corporate group and his way there in the end of us empire after the spring, the the welcome back to going on the right, i'm still here with the grades on your power and below was are a corporate to venezuela and the end of us m and your input when you were telling me about trump officials, some of them uh, accused of uh, aiding genocide in the previous incarnations in previous administrations. all of us down roger waters they endorsed your book, tucker carlson, endorsed your book, you talk about how you were on his fox news show. and donald trump watched that

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episode of dr. cause and way you explained what was really going on with the secret state deep states actions under the trumpet, ministration against venezuela. do you think the trump 2 of these elected in november will understand that he was being used to destroy a venezuela for, for other reasons. i think that trump's instincts on on venezuelan madero are actually correct based on what i read in the memoirs of trump, administration officials, particularly john bolton writes about how trump on multiple occasions would ask to meet with president monroe and, and resolve the problem. the crisis with ben his way led directly, and that he was actually skeptical about one way to didn't want to issue the initial recognition of going to was president under his name, but was ultimately convinced to do so by mike pens who held a phone call with guido the night before and was apparently taken by him and bolton,

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for whatever reason was present for that phone call and really driving this qu, policy. but bolton complains that trunk kind of just wanted to settle this and he kind of fall into ro, eventually saw missouri was acting as a tough cookie. those were the words that the washington post, i believe put out there around the same time that tucker had that conversation with me that i also write about in the book during which trumpet tool. he explained that trump told him that he understood that voted was crazy. on, on ben is with feeling that if you listen to him on everything he would be in world war as 12, and 3. the issue is that like when it comes to israel, for example, in the united states policy isn't necessarily set according to the interest of americans or, or this country, but a small, special interest group, a lobby and the cuba venezuela exile lobby,

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which is very prevalent, profound in florida is extremely, is extremely powerful because florida is a state that any us president and have to wait. and it's one of the major battleground states and, and the population. they're made up of people that have fled the revolutions in cuba and venezuela over the years and other other progressive governments across the region. they've settled in florida and they've created a base of influence where and this is their number one issue. they want to use essentially the us government, as muscle in order to regain power back in their own country is because they're the lead that were replaced by these revolutions. and that group is very powerful and the republican party and on the democratic side as well in florida. and so i can't maintain a lot of confidence that that as the president, regardless, i mean not even joe biden has been willing to reverse this qu,

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decision and hers the recognition of good. why know? even while engaging in direct talks with the venezuelan government because it is just a hot political issue actually just on hand by doing that, sorry to interrupt, i would jump bolton's actually being on this show where he said he tried desperately to unsuccessfully to dissuade drum from having that meeting with the door, i'm just going to quickly ask actually as well, aside from your book is uh, what do you make of bolivia? because luis asa was on this show and i was kind of surprised when present the president to believe you didn't really respond to my questions about m a 6 and the reuters news agency and british involvement in the trying to a destroyed democracy. in bolivia, we will carry bolivia with us in our mobile phones, of course, with the lithium even morales is now fighting with resources or even morales the. the inspiration behind the change in bolivia is that true. vitamin behind is

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what i've heard. that is what i have heard from my contacts on in bolivia and people that were very confused by how this to played out. what was it about 2 weeks ago now? it was a very short lived to i had someone tweeted at me that they had ordered a pizza and by the time it came the head of the oven there, the crew was over. and yeah, it was that that was pretty much out played out. but i also wasn't surprised that it fizzled out so quickly because i was in bolivia in 2020 the end of 2020. 0, in the midst of the last military actually qu, occupation, and there was a coo and 2019 that violently ousted able morales from power after he won re election. and the military junta was installed. that was, oh they, they love to show their voice ministry the night before. and basically they try to delay a vote. they initially said their military government was an interim government. but because the libyans across the country are actually armed and threatened to go

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on strike. and push even toward a possible civil war without a vote. even that military point though is forced to hold an election, and that is how r as a one and came back into power. and so what i learned there is, aside from the politics, of course, that there's always been fighting and political parties, people struggling for a power and authority. and i, i see that some, but that is underway. and in math right now, there is obviously tension between the, our state faction and the, the morales faction. but that what you can count on with bolivia is that the people are not going to tolerate a foreign back to or any, or is it shades of ecuador, like crew, promoted a protege like do any moreno? it turned out to be as a, as a man i spoke to the president of bolivia. you know, we don't know yet basically whether he's an asset of dividing the ministration. we

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don't know, but it's always tough. i suppose when you're dealing with the economists or financial actors in your administration, and that is, of course, with ours they was, he was the economy minister under morales. and sometimes those people are more connected to international finance or for an interest. then someone coming out of other ministries in the government, but we invite the president us to come back on the show in the book. you talk about um, very important music figure actually and my child and he was a sign to sex pistols with his parents, money, richard branson, that made headlines all around the world. virgin found richard branson with his bizarre concept just to just tell me about the influence the attempted influence of richard branson on trying to sponsor well, if you read your book, i mean it in effect he's, he's um helping to catalyze must of ation and death in venezuela

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yeah, he was the cultural element in this corporate cool. this was in february of 2019, just a month after the trump administration announced its recognition of going to the shadow government and venezuela. and part of the threat that came down afterwards were for awhile and i was in bed as well at the time, it seemed as actual as if the actual war between us and venezuela could break out. because the united states, citing the humanitarian, made the current crisis in the country that the us government had actually exacerbated through its sanctions policy and driven through a sanctions policy. and i think i make that case pretty clearly in the book why us sanctions and financial policy are to blame for venezuela's crisis. didn't prevent us from yes. turning around them, saying, because of the starving venezuelans, we're going to compile this humanitarian aid on the border in columbia. and because monroe is such an evil dictator who will not accept for an aid,

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not even from elliot abrams, the man known to have smuggled weapons to the sand. and he's the, or i'm sorry to the contras during the, during the war against the sand. and he does in nicaragua, through humanitarian aid shipments, that was actually his strategy decades prior in the region. so monroe, such an evil dictator, he won't accept our age, so we're going to push it across the border with u. s. military equip trucks. and this was a very tense time when the u. s. military had a presence all across the venezuela's, a border with colombia. and it would have just ended there if not for richard brands. and he made it a much bigger cultural and international event by holding this concert in cooper time in one of the porous regions of columbia. actually, where people were quite me in need of humanitarian aid themselves. that just

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happened to be a u. s. allies states and nobody cared. and he can be in this massive a stadium or stage and paid for a major artist from south america to perform their for, well, i kind of stay with like a culture, a coach. how of, for the us is regional instruments. their tools, all of the us allied presidents in the region and uh, louisiana mad road and secretary general of the organization of american states all came to this concert. and it got coverage and rolling stone and billboard magazine . and all of these newspapers, i probably would have paid no attention to the situation. venezuela if not, if not for. 3 a, some branson's asked there, but it didn't come without criticism. roger waters did a great job marketing brands. and at the time, basically saying this billionaire doesn't actually care about anybody. he's just

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essentially acting as a tool of us and trans atlantic gemini and well hire there. the book is role of uh, bizarre luis, um i grew uh as you say, who for round door in minnesota, strange turnarounds, mutual bass relay, a hero during the us back dictatorship. in chile, strange turnarounds. we don't really understand why the culpability run in your book is between bar as johnson moody's agency, univision, the mouth pieces and cnn, bbc royces, wall street journal bloom, but yeah, usually people have to read the book doesn't all is, but i just wanna find the say why you say in the book that hooton's related move to save the people that don't yet was somehow decisive in saving venezuela's wouldn't uh, to the war in your, of costing hundreds of thousands of ukrainians got to do with the saving of lives in venezuela. is this is a, a very serious illustration of the follies of us imperial overconfidence because

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under trump, in order to pressure the venezuelan people into recognizing a shadow government that the us, it installed a good one guy know at trump actually banned the sale of venezuelan oil and us markets, and this was a relationship that had gone back almost a century since the discovery of venezuela oil. we've had entire pipelines and an infrastructure built oil refineries here in order to pump as well an oil in to us gas stations. and at the time venezuela was supplying roughly 7 percent of us oil imports. and over night, when that band came down, russia's say a share of the us oil import market jumped 7 percent. and i show that graph in my book, it's in verse. so the suggestion there to me is that russia was perhaps buying the venezuelan oil and selling it back to us, which is

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a ridiculous example of how our policy fails. but even if they weren't, they were selling us about 10 percent of our imports. when biden joe biden came along and decided in 2022 after the the special military operations was launched in, in ukraine. that a, hey, then trump the, i'm sorry, bite and decided to issue his own embargo of oil this time against russia. and so we've been just a few years, the u. s. government had cut off its itself and i say that's why i argued these things are basically sanctions on us citizens because it just resulted in our oil prices skyrocketing, which can result in inflation all over because oil prices dictates the price of everything. and so buying and panicked and actually went onto venezuela, sent a team there to begin direct talk with them. i drove government and as i said,

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even though they haven't reversed the decision to recognize a fake government, but it's way less they did begin using some sanctions, which now they slap back when they, when they feel like it for political reasons. well that's, that's something to watch out for anyway, the negotiations on wednesday we'll have to have you back is the story continues and influences perhaps november's election, who knows any power bill. thank you. a thank you action. and that's it for the show of continued condolences to those very by you k u. s. u, i'm genocide will be back with a brand new episode on saturday until then keep in touch by with that social media . if it's not sensitive, we will country and have to watch on. we're going under mtv, on the com to watching you and all the episodes of going on the guns. he's up in the the hello and welcome to the cross stuff boulevard. here we discussed some real in

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